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suicide strikes Marshall's family -- again
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St. Matthew
2004-10-20 23:44:25 UTC
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EMINEM 'FATHER' SHOOTS HIMSELF

Oct 20 2004


EMINEM was devastated last night after the uncle who he regarded as
his dad committed suicide.

Todd Nelson shot himself in the head as he sat in his car. He had
become depressed over a sheriff's rottweiler which was allegedly
terrorising his family.

The 42-year-old helped raise Eminem, whose real father walked out when
the rapper was a baby.

It is the second close relative the 32-year-old controversial star -
real name Marshall Mathers III - has lost to suicide.

His other uncle, Ronnie, killed himself after being dumped by his
girlfriend.

A family friend said: "This news has hit Marshall hard. It will bring
back all the memories of losing Ronnie.

"To lose two uncles at such a young age is terribly sad, especially as
his father has never been around. The fact they both committed suicide
is so tragic."

Eminem's granny, Betty Kresin, said the family was "completely
devastated". She added: "I'm so heart-broken, I don't know if I can
handle this as well. He'll be buried next to my Ronnie.

"Todd had been very upset about a rottweiler owned by a local sheriff
who was causing problems for his family.

"The dog scared his girlfriend's son and scratched his car.

"But when he complained to police, they wouldn't do anything about it.

"He shot himself in his car in his own backyard. My grandson, Todd
junior, found his body. He thought his dad was asleep but he was dead.

"He called me and then Marshall and the rest of the family."

Betty said her daughter, Debbie, Eminem's mum, rang the star to tell
him they are to bring Todd's body home to St Joseph, Missouri,
following his death in Michigan.

It is the latest family tragedy to strike Eminem.

His ex-wife, Kim, tried to kill herself four years ago. And mum
Debbie, 48, who he once called a slut in a song, is recovering from
breast cancer.

His tormented family life has inspired many of his songs. He recently
fell out with Todd over his uncle's plans to sell the family home. But
when he was younger, he idolised Todd.

In the past, his uncle said Eminem had been "a shy kid with few
friends".

He added: "Marshall grew up believing he was different to everyone
else. It was something instilled in him from an early age by Debbie,
me and his grandmother.

"Marshall was a happy kid. He was good at entertaining himself and he
laughed a lot.

"I remember one time I walked into his room and saw all these posters
of black superstars on his walls. Basketball stars, baseball players,
rappers. He would spend hours drawing groups such as Public Enemy and
NWA. Even as a kid, he idolised Dr Dre.

"At the time I thought he was going through some kind of identity
crisis. But I guess he just knew from an early age.

"Everything Marshall has achieved professionally is wonderful. I
couldn't be more proud of him."

source...www.shadybase.com
bozak
2004-10-21 00:03:44 UTC
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Post by St. Matthew
EMINEM 'FATHER' SHOOTS HIMSELF
and in other news people dont like bush...
(the faux presidunce, not that stuff down in the crotch area)
cugina
2004-10-21 00:54:28 UTC
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Sounds like a family you'd *want* to be a part of...no wonder young Marshall
is fu*ked up in the head...
Post by St. Matthew
EMINEM 'FATHER' SHOOTS HIMSELF
Oct 20 2004
EMINEM was devastated last night after the uncle who he regarded as
his dad committed suicide.
Todd Nelson shot himself in the head as he sat in his car. He had
become depressed over a sheriff's rottweiler which was allegedly
terrorising his family.
The 42-year-old helped raise Eminem, whose real father walked out when
the rapper was a baby.
It is the second close relative the 32-year-old controversial star -
real name Marshall Mathers III - has lost to suicide.
His other uncle, Ronnie, killed himself after being dumped by his
girlfriend.
A family friend said: "This news has hit Marshall hard. It will bring
back all the memories of losing Ronnie.
"To lose two uncles at such a young age is terribly sad, especially as
his father has never been around. The fact they both committed suicide
is so tragic."
Eminem's granny, Betty Kresin, said the family was "completely
devastated". She added: "I'm so heart-broken, I don't know if I can
handle this as well. He'll be buried next to my Ronnie.
"Todd had been very upset about a rottweiler owned by a local sheriff
who was causing problems for his family.
"The dog scared his girlfriend's son and scratched his car.
"But when he complained to police, they wouldn't do anything about it.
"He shot himself in his car in his own backyard. My grandson, Todd
junior, found his body. He thought his dad was asleep but he was dead.
"He called me and then Marshall and the rest of the family."
Betty said her daughter, Debbie, Eminem's mum, rang the star to tell
him they are to bring Todd's body home to St Joseph, Missouri,
following his death in Michigan.
It is the latest family tragedy to strike Eminem.
His ex-wife, Kim, tried to kill herself four years ago. And mum
Debbie, 48, who he once called a slut in a song, is recovering from
breast cancer.
His tormented family life has inspired many of his songs. He recently
fell out with Todd over his uncle's plans to sell the family home. But
when he was younger, he idolised Todd.
In the past, his uncle said Eminem had been "a shy kid with few
friends".
He added: "Marshall grew up believing he was different to everyone
else. It was something instilled in him from an early age by Debbie,
me and his grandmother.
"Marshall was a happy kid. He was good at entertaining himself and he
laughed a lot.
"I remember one time I walked into his room and saw all these posters
of black superstars on his walls. Basketball stars, baseball players,
rappers. He would spend hours drawing groups such as Public Enemy and
NWA. Even as a kid, he idolised Dr Dre.
"At the time I thought he was going through some kind of identity
crisis. But I guess he just knew from an early age.
"Everything Marshall has achieved professionally is wonderful. I
couldn't be more proud of him."
source...www.shadybase.com
St. Matthew
2004-10-21 18:21:17 UTC
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Post by cugina
Sounds like a family you'd *want* to be a part of...no wonder young Marshall
is fu*ked up in the head...
No one will ever say the path of a genius is an easy one.
Post by cugina
Post by St. Matthew
EMINEM 'FATHER' SHOOTS HIMSELF
Oct 20 2004
EMINEM was devastated last night after the uncle who he regarded as
his dad committed suicide.
Todd Nelson shot himself in the head as he sat in his car. He had
become depressed over a sheriff's rottweiler which was allegedly
terrorising his family.
The 42-year-old helped raise Eminem, whose real father walked out when
the rapper was a baby.
It is the second close relative the 32-year-old controversial star -
real name Marshall Mathers III - has lost to suicide.
His other uncle, Ronnie, killed himself after being dumped by his
girlfriend.
A family friend said: "This news has hit Marshall hard. It will bring
back all the memories of losing Ronnie.
"To lose two uncles at such a young age is terribly sad, especially as
his father has never been around. The fact they both committed suicide
is so tragic."
Eminem's granny, Betty Kresin, said the family was "completely
devastated". She added: "I'm so heart-broken, I don't know if I can
handle this as well. He'll be buried next to my Ronnie.
"Todd had been very upset about a rottweiler owned by a local sheriff
who was causing problems for his family.
"The dog scared his girlfriend's son and scratched his car.
"But when he complained to police, they wouldn't do anything about it.
"He shot himself in his car in his own backyard. My grandson, Todd
junior, found his body. He thought his dad was asleep but he was dead.
"He called me and then Marshall and the rest of the family."
Betty said her daughter, Debbie, Eminem's mum, rang the star to tell
him they are to bring Todd's body home to St Joseph, Missouri,
following his death in Michigan.
It is the latest family tragedy to strike Eminem.
His ex-wife, Kim, tried to kill herself four years ago. And mum
Debbie, 48, who he once called a slut in a song, is recovering from
breast cancer.
His tormented family life has inspired many of his songs. He recently
fell out with Todd over his uncle's plans to sell the family home. But
when he was younger, he idolised Todd.
In the past, his uncle said Eminem had been "a shy kid with few
friends".
He added: "Marshall grew up believing he was different to everyone
else. It was something instilled in him from an early age by Debbie,
me and his grandmother.
"Marshall was a happy kid. He was good at entertaining himself and he
laughed a lot.
"I remember one time I walked into his room and saw all these posters
of black superstars on his walls. Basketball stars, baseball players,
rappers. He would spend hours drawing groups such as Public Enemy and
NWA. Even as a kid, he idolised Dr Dre.
"At the time I thought he was going through some kind of identity
crisis. But I guess he just knew from an early age.
"Everything Marshall has achieved professionally is wonderful. I
couldn't be more proud of him."
source...www.shadybase.com
Bay Way 41510
2004-10-23 01:05:17 UTC
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Post by St. Matthew
No one will ever say the path of a genius is an easy one.
The sheriff's dog was a genius??







STRATEGY
Racine
2004-10-23 15:46:54 UTC
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Post by St. Matthew
No one will ever say the path of a genius is an easy one.
LOL!
Bay Way 41510
2004-10-21 14:18:40 UTC
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RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that while he
had kids depending on him



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St. Matthew
2004-10-22 00:38:51 UTC
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Post by Bay Way 41510
RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that while he
had kids depending on him
I think matters of suicide are very, very complex. I think the victim
truly sees no way out. I just can't believe this was over a dog!
krissella
2004-10-22 05:05:42 UTC
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Post by St. Matthew
Post by Bay Way 41510
RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that while he
had kids depending on him
I think matters of suicide are very, very complex. I think the victim
truly sees no way out. I just can't believe this was over a dog!
I have to agree with you whole heartedly on that. It's easy to blame it on
the Sherriffs Rottweiler than to admit he was a truly troubled man.
FWIR on a study I did in college, when someone in a family has committed
suicide, it is more likely for someone else in the family to commit suicide
as well.
St. Matthew
2004-10-23 01:06:56 UTC
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Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
Post by Bay Way 41510
RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that while he
had kids depending on him
I think matters of suicide are very, very complex. I think the victim
truly sees no way out. I just can't believe this was over a dog!
I have to agree with you whole heartedly on that. It's easy to blame it on
the Sherriffs Rottweiler than to admit he was a truly troubled man.
FWIR on a study I did in college, when someone in a family has committed
suicide, it is more likely for someone else in the family to commit suicide
as well.
How awful! It can be genetic?? And is it common to describe a
"failed" suicide attempt as an accident...???
krissella
2004-10-25 06:27:49 UTC
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Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
Post by Bay Way 41510
RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that while he
had kids depending on him
I think matters of suicide are very, very complex. I think the victim
truly sees no way out. I just can't believe this was over a dog!
I have to agree with you whole heartedly on that. It's easy to blame it on
the Sherriffs Rottweiler than to admit he was a truly troubled man.
FWIR on a study I did in college, when someone in a family has committed
suicide, it is more likely for someone else in the family to commit suicide
as well.
How awful! It can be genetic?? And is it common to describe a
"failed" suicide attempt as an accident...???
It sets an "acceptable" standard within the family for dealing with
depression.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p031262.html
In this article (with the link) it talks about Ernest Hemingway and how 5
generations of that family have had instances of suicide in them. Genetics
Vs Upbringing.
I know that if someone has succeeded in killing themselves its a 'completed'
suicide. Not so sure if they would call it an accident if its incomplete,
but it would be an accident in their mind if they lived through it.
I really hope that Eminem doesn't do as his uncles have done. It's sad that
he had to even deal with one uncle comitting suicide, never mind two! How
terrible.
Bay Way 41510
2004-10-25 21:46:09 UTC
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Post by Bay Way 41510
RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that while he
had kids depending on him
I think matters of suicide are very, very complex. I think the victim
truly sees no way out. I just can't believe this was over a dog!
I have to agree with you whole heartedly on that. It's easy to blame it
on
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
the Sherriffs Rottweiler than to admit he was a truly troubled man.
FWIR on a study I did in college, when someone in a family has committed
suicide, it is more likely for someone else in the family to commit
suicide
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
as well.
How awful! It can be genetic?? And is it common to describe a
"failed" suicide attempt as an accident...???
It sets an "acceptable" standard within the family for dealing with
depression.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p031262.html
In this article (with the link) it talks about Ernest Hemingway and how 5
generations of that family have had instances of suicide in them. Genetics
Vs Upbringing.
I know that if someone has succeeded in killing themselves its a 'completed'
suicide. Not so sure if they would call it an accident if its incomplete,
but it would be an accident in their mind if they lived through it.
I really hope that Eminem doesn't do as his uncles have done. It's sad that
he had to even deal with one uncle comitting suicide, never mind two! How
terrible.
Maybe if your boy had slipped him a few bucks, this wouldn't have
happened

Not that he's obligated to take care of his relatives, but I know I'd
take care of at least the close ones I actually LIKED




STRATEGY
krissella
2004-10-26 06:35:57 UTC
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Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by St. Matthew
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
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RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that while he
had kids depending on him
I think matters of suicide are very, very complex. I think the victim
truly sees no way out. I just can't believe this was over a dog!
I have to agree with you whole heartedly on that. It's easy to blame it
on
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
the Sherriffs Rottweiler than to admit he was a truly troubled man.
FWIR on a study I did in college, when someone in a family has committed
suicide, it is more likely for someone else in the family to commit
suicide
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
as well.
How awful! It can be genetic?? And is it common to describe a
"failed" suicide attempt as an accident...???
It sets an "acceptable" standard within the family for dealing with
depression.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p031262.html
In this article (with the link) it talks about Ernest Hemingway and how 5
generations of that family have had instances of suicide in them.
Genetics
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by St. Matthew
Vs Upbringing.
I know that if someone has succeeded in killing themselves its a 'completed'
suicide. Not so sure if they would call it an accident if its incomplete,
but it would be an accident in their mind if they lived through it.
I really hope that Eminem doesn't do as his uncles have done. It's sad that
he had to even deal with one uncle comitting suicide, never mind two!
How
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by St. Matthew
terrible.
Maybe if your boy had slipped him a few bucks, this wouldn't have
happened
Not that he's obligated to take care of his relatives, but I know I'd
take care of at least the close ones I actually LIKED
STRATEGY
Ya...Im sure your right. A few bucks would've changed everything.
Bay Way 41510
2004-10-26 12:45:40 UTC
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RIP I guess, but the guy was a real sack of shit to do that
while he
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Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
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had kids depending on him
I think matters of suicide are very, very complex. I think the
victim
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Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
truly sees no way out. I just can't believe this was over a dog!
I have to agree with you whole heartedly on that. It's easy to
blame it
on
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
the Sherriffs Rottweiler than to admit he was a truly troubled man.
FWIR on a study I did in college, when someone in a family has
committed
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Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
suicide, it is more likely for someone else in the family to commit
suicide
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
Post by St. Matthew
Post by krissella
as well.
How awful! It can be genetic?? And is it common to describe a
"failed" suicide attempt as an accident...???
It sets an "acceptable" standard within the family for dealing with
depression.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p031262.html
In this article (with the link) it talks about Ernest Hemingway and how
5
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
generations of that family have had instances of suicide in them.
Genetics
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
Vs Upbringing.
I know that if someone has succeeded in killing themselves its a
'completed'
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
suicide. Not so sure if they would call it an accident if its
incomplete,
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
but it would be an accident in their mind if they lived through it.
I really hope that Eminem doesn't do as his uncles have done. It's sad
that
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
he had to even deal with one uncle comitting suicide, never mind two!
How
Post by Bay Way 41510
Post by krissella
terrible.
Maybe if your boy had slipped him a few bucks, this wouldn't have
happened
Not that he's obligated to take care of his relatives, but I know I'd
take care of at least the close ones I actually LIKED
STRATEGY
Ya...Im sure your right. A few bucks would've changed everything.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but the article said he
was distraught over financial problems

money gnerally takes care of financial problems

and money is something people frequently commit suicide over, not some
fuckin' dog scratched their car



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St. Matthew
2004-10-26 22:45:25 UTC
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Post by krissella
Post by Bay Way 41510
Maybe if your boy had slipped him a few bucks, this wouldn't have
happened
Ya...Im sure your right. A few bucks would've changed everything.
I'm pretty sure Marshall is financially taking care of EVERYONE. I
think he's even adopted a niece or something...?

St. Matthew
2004-10-26 22:44:01 UTC
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Post by krissella
I really hope that Eminem doesn't do as his uncles have done. It's sad that
he had to even deal with one uncle comitting suicide, never mind two! How
terrible.
I hear you. But just think of the art he'll create henceforth, in the
aftermath of still more heartache... Sigh.
Monks
2004-10-22 18:20:46 UTC
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Post by St. Matthew
EMINEM 'FATHER' SHOOTS HIMSELF
Post by St. Matthew
"Everything Marshall has achieved professionally is wonderful. I
couldn't be more proud of him."
...clipped out a bunch of bullshit
Post by St. Matthew
source...www.shadybase.com
What kind of a source is shadybase.com? If I see a link to a legit news
source, then it might give this post a bit of credence. As of now, I'm about
99.999% sure this is a hoax.

Monks
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